16 March 2017
Hearing Transcript

 


SENATE COMMITTEE HEARING:

AGENDA: TEACHER'S BENEFITS, STUDENT'S BENEFITS, HOLIDAYS

 


SENATOR CHIZ ESCUDERO (CHIZ): I'd like to acknowledge our guests. Com Sec.

COMMITTEE SECRETARY (CS): May we acknowledge the presence of our guests from Department of Education: Hon. Tonisito Umali, Cynthia Hernandez from CHED, Dr. Leonida Canagui from CHED, Mr. Ryan S. Lita from DBM, Ms. Grace Cunanan from SUC, Mr. Bernan Corpuz from NCAA, Mr. Alvin Alsit from National Historical Commission of the Philippines, Mr. James Ventura from National Youth Commission.

CHIZ: Thank you. I've been here actually since 8:30AM but couldn't start because our guests weren't all here yet. We advised our invited guests to be here on time next time so we could start on time and finish earlier.

Before we begin, I'd like to place this on record this is the first time our meeting and our meeting on education sector as well. OK lang sa akin kahit sino ipadala basta makakasagot 'yung ipapadala at hindi kailangan 'yung secretary mismo. If some acceptable reason will be sending someone that can answer any questions throw at them given the agenda. So we'll start and I know we have a long agenda, believe me we can finish it. Does anyone have a copy of the agenda? Com Sec, meron na?

Item number one: Senate Bill No. 36 filed by Senator Legarda, Magna Carta for Public School Teachers. Com Sec kindly join us, I have a question. I don't think this bill is properly presented because it contains the amendments start amending the actual law that is seeks to amend. 'Di ba? Com Sec, dito ka. Bakit ganito 'to? Have you seen the bill? Nilagay na 'yung amendments, hindi naman 'yan 'yung bill. You don't amend this way.

CS: (inaudible)

CHIZ: Anong klaseng amendment iyon? Kindly return this to Senator Legarda. The Chair directs the committee secretary to kindly return to Senator Legarda or if not that is the Com Sec to work in their office in order to present the bill properly. This should be presented in such a way that is amending Republic Act No. 4670 and not incorporating the amendments they want to make already in the actual bill. So ordered.

Item number two: Senate Bill Number 75, Magna Carta Bonus and One Thousand Medical Allowances for Educators filed by Senator Cayetano. May I ask DBM (Department of Budget and Management), do you have figures already on this? The bill proposes an additional compensation of a total of Php9,000; Php3,000 for the first year, Php3,000 for the second year, Php3,000 for the third year. Plus a medical allowance Php12,000 per year. Do you have a computation as to how much this would cost in government? Sir?

RYAN LITA (RL): Yes, Mr. Chair. A rough estimate as of now having 825,000 teaching positions and 12,784 teaching related positions.

CHIZ: Ilang teaching? 825…

RL: 825-325 number totalized position and 12,784 member of authorized teaching related positions. An additional Php1,000 for medical allowance would have cost the government Php838,109,000.00. An additional Php3,000 for the first year would have cost the government Php2.5-B. And over-all that Php9,000 additional benefits would cost the government Php7.4-B.

CHIZ: In three years?

RL: In three years.

CHIZ: Asec, how much are we paying for our teachers now?

TONISITO UMALI (TU): Mr. Chair, Teacher I: Salary Grade 11 and Php19,620.00 and some allowances it will be more or less Php21,000-22,000.

CHIZ: That's gross?

TU: Yes, that's gross.

CHIZ: Net is?

TU: Php19,620, your Honor.

CHIZ: If it compared to a private school counterparts?

TU: We have a study like two-three years ago that the entry level for private schools is on the average Php15,000, your Honor.

CHIZ: Can I ask you a direct question Asec, should we give this? Before I ask DBM if they can afford it.

TU: The position of the department, Mr. Chair, is that any bill seeking to increase the benefits of the teachers, we support. But I have heard our Ma'am Briones saying always that we have to also factor in some realities like we are governed by the Salary Standardization Law, so any increase in one salary grade should mean a corresponding increase, for example…

CHIZ: I know.

TU: Mr. Chair, I only talked about Teacher I but Teacher II is Salary Grade 12.

CHIZ: It will cause rage distortions.

TU: Yes, your Honor. That's how our Secretary Briones is always explaining it. So we support, it's up to the wisdom, collective wisdom of Congress and DBM whether that would be wise to provide increase for teachers only.

CHIZ: The chair would like to acknowledge the presence of Senator Nancy Binay, and hereby declares the presence of a quorum for purposes of arguing this morning. Ano 'yung rule sa Salary Standardization Law? When was the last increase and how much will be the next increase? And how much and when will be the next increase?

RL: We are currently implementing Executive Order No. 201, which increases the amount of salaries of all national government civilian personnel.

CHIZ: Including teachers?

RL: Yes, including teachers, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: When was the last time?

RL): It was this January 2017, we've implemented the second tranche this. EO 201 was based on salary survey conducted in 2011, wherein the private schools and private institutions were surveyed and the salaries, we've found out that the salaries of public school teachers as opposed to private school teachers are already more than what is being received by their counterparts in the private sector.

CHIZ: So, when was the last increase, this January?

RL: Yes, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: How much was the increase?

RL: It ranges from 500 to maximum amount of 10,000 for the administrators.

CHIZ: Depending on their salary grade.

RL: Yes, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: What about the teachers?

RL: The Teacher I, Mr. Chair, is now at Php19,000 per month.

CHIZ: 'Di ba last year pa 'yang Php19,000 na 'yan? Hindi naman this year lang 'yan.

TU: Mr. Chair, if I may. As of January 1, 2016, Salary Grade 11, Teacher I is Php19,077.

CHIZ: Yes, that was last year.

TU: Yes, your Honor please. As of January 2017, second tranche was given. Salary Grade 11 now Teacher I is Php19,620, a difference of more or less Php500-600.

CHIZ: And ilang hulugan 'yon?

RL: We are kind of on the second tranch and we're waiting for the two other tranch.

CHIZ: So, second tranch ito. So, may two tranches pa?

RL: Yes, Mr. Chair. After the two tranches, the third tranche will be in 2018, I presume?

CHIZ: And the fourth and final tranche will be in 2019.

RL: Yes, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Pagkatapos noon, anong mangyayari?

RL): In 2018, before the end of the fourth tranche, we will be conducting another compensation and benefits study to check on the impact of the salary increase.

CHIZ: That's every four years?

RL: Under the Congress Joint Resolution No. 4, it's every three years, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: If you compute and factor in inflation, I'll round it off. At Php20,000, 10% is Php2,000, 'di ba? 5% is Php1,000, your inflation rate is at 4.2-4.3%. So, at the very least you should increase at the rate of inflation so that they will be receiving the same amount. So, the increase for the next four years if at all should be depending on inflation, the next two remaining years for that matter, at least nag-i-increase siya dahil 4% or 5%, if you want to be magnanimous. And that is not equivalent to 10%.

RL: Mr. Chair, if I may, the Executive Order 201 Compensation Strategy is not just to put all the increased in benefits to the salaries. We're also increasing the allowances and compensation to shield the impact of taxes being deducted from the salaries. So, aside from the yearly increase in salaries, we have also implemented the mid-year bonus which is also the 14th Month Pay which is equivalent to one-month salary.

CHIZ: 14th month?

RL: Yes, Mr. Chair on top of the year-end bonus being received before the EO 201.

CHIZ: So, you recommended a list, no? If I ask for your wisdom as well as your wisdom in a while Asec Umali, should we act on this or not? Or is the salary standardization, midyear bonus and EO 201?

RL: Yes, Mr. Chair, based on our compensation and benefits; this is already even way beyond because the Executive Order 201 seeks to at least level up with the private sector benefits. So, in fact for the teachers alone they are already more that from what the private sectors are receiving. For other positions Mr. Chair we are still on the 45% to 70% of the private sector. So, we are behind the private sector except for the teachers, nurses and other…

CHIZ: We are ahead?

RL: Yes, Mr. Chair. They are ahead of their private counterparts. On the other positions we are way beyond.

CHIZ: Senator Nancy?

SENATOR NANCY BINAY (NB): Siguro, aside from the 14th Month, ano pa iyong other benefits that you plan to give?

RL: We have also enhanced the performance-based bonus which before was being given at Php35,000 for the best employee and Php10,000 for the good. Now, we are increasing that weight equivalent from to at least 50% of the salary of a government employee up to 65% of what they are being received. So, if you are rated as a best employee, you will be receiving on top of what you are receiving right now, 65 % of your salary.

CHIZ: 65% of the salary for one month?

RL: Yes, Mr. Chair. So, we are aiming at the end of the Executive Order 201 to implement up to the higher than 65% of the salary up to at least a month of their salary. So, that would equivalent to another 15th Month Pay but it is based on performance, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Asec Umali? Sir, no faux pas here. So, please feel free.

TU: Opo. Mr. Chair, dahil po nga ang posisyon ng kagawaran ay sumuporta po sa pagtaas ng benepisyo at pinag-uusapan po ngayon ang reasonable(ness) if you may, iyong halaga pong pinag-uusapan dito. Mr. Chair, baka kailangan dahil po iyong pagtaas po ng sahod na ito ay hindi po by way of amendment to the Salary Standardization Law and it is simply an Executive Order, Mr. Chair. Though, that's not part of the official line that given to me by our department but there may be a need, Mr.Chair, but maybe not the amount Mr. Chair that we're talking about right now.

CHIZ: Or maybe, not now?

TU: Opo, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: 14:30 by that reason given that EO 201 is still in effect and given the current situation comparing private with public schools that it may not be timely for us to pass SBN 75. And just here by direct to the committee secretary to coordinate and also to Senator (Alan) Cayetano. Before the same is archived for purposes of this coverage without prejudice to SBN 75 being re-filed at some future time after the full implementation of EO 201.

Number 3, Senate Bill No. 713 are not institutionalizing full subsidiary programs in universities and public school teachers providing funds therefore. May I ask the ComSec, Joy dito ka na para hindi masakit sa leeg. Can this be made part of the free tertiary education that we passed last night on third reading? It provides full subsidy to children of public school teachers but since tertiary education is already free, what's the point? Ano 'yung final Senate Bill number? 1277? Direct that Senate Bill 1273 be consolidated with Senate Bill 1277 or for this bill to be taken into consideration in the passage of such measure after Bicam, since it is already approved on third and final reading last night. So ordered. Public School Teachers Incentives Act filed by Senator Binay, Senate Bill 183, Senator Binay want to say something about it? Senate Bill 183 basically provides discount on food, parang senior citizen na 20%; 5% discount on electricity and water bills. Hindi kasama ang mga taga-DepEd, teacher lang Asec. Umali, what will you say to this?

TU: We will support this bill, Mr. Chair. Again, any benefit, bills or measures that tend to benefit our public school teachers we support.

CHIZ: Ayaw niyo naman maging kontrabida. Not DBM more on DTI and we don't have DTI. Can we kindly communicate with DTI with respect to this? DOF or DTI, actually yes and kindly, can I instruct the ComSec to kindly convey your concerns.

Also for the information of Senator Nancy Binay, nagkakaproblema ang Department of Finance sa senior citizen discounts simply because an implementation nightmare and this will be an implementation nightmare as well in lieu of that they want to actually reverse it but they can't do it anymore. Reverse it means simply give them the equivalent of the subsidy instead of giving them the discount. Kasi ang labo ng implementation at implementation nightmare siya, even with respect the public utilities. So ililipat nila sa pangalan ng teacher 'yung electric bill o 'yung water bill. Kung nasa pangalan nung asawa na construction worker o walang trabaho, ililipat nila and get the 5% discount. But how will MERALCO for example or PLDT find out if indeed he or she is still working as a public school teacher when he sees to work is a public school teacher at any point in time, anytime of the year. So can I ask the ComSec to kindly communicate with DOF and DTI. Find out how much this will cost on the part of the service providers namely MERALCO, the restaurants on an average computation of their spending. So that in the lieu of that we can give it as direct subsidy to them on top of whatever it is they're receiving now. So that it will be more manageable and easier to implement. For the information of Sen. Binay, do what they intended to do was actually compute the total package in monetary terms and the discount being offered to senior citizens and then put it in the separate fund that will be spend exclusively and solely for the benefit of senior citizens. They can't do that right now because everybody is enjoying it already. So in so far as this is concern, you might still have time to do it and we will try to do it. So ordered. Kindly reset this for another date, after we should have gotten the input of DOF and DTI.

Item Number 5 and 6, Senate Bill No. 206 and 364 be consolidated as they pertained to the same thing. Can I ask DepEd, what is the existing policy on continuing education of teachers? How often is it? Who pays for it?

TU: Mr. Chair, mayroon po tayong specific training programs not being implemented like a continuing legal education. The ways being done for example in the legal profession or in other profession or they are requiring going through some number of units for so much number of years. Ang meron po tayo ay continuing training of our teachers. Very purposive po, Mr. Chair, if you talk about Science and Math teachers, we have special trainings for them.

CHIZ: Yearly?

TU: Yearly, you could say it Mr. Chair (inaudible).

CHIZ: Yearly or not?

TU: I'll double check, Mr. Chair.

NB: Mr. Chair, siguro for example iyong isang teacher ho, ilang seminar iyong maaatendan niya?

TU: I will provide the data Mr. Chair kasi iba-iba po ito Mr. Chair. Mayroong financial literacy.

CHIZ: Iba-iba per subject?

TU: Opo, opo, opo per subject depende rin po minsan maski pare-pareho po sila we provided financial literacy program, we provided English proficiency training. That, that's applicable to all, kapag Science and Math mayroon pa po silang special training.

CHIZ: This is during the summer months?

TU: Summer, minsan Mr. Chair, maski po sa ano sa school year meron pong division implemented, may region.

CHIZ: Why is that done during the school year? Ilang buwan ang sweldo ng teacher sa isang taon?

TU: Ah.

CHIZ: You said 13 months right? Fourteen months pa nga. You said it.

TU: It's 12 months, yeah Mr. Chair. They're entitled to Mr. Chair the number of months, like any other government employee, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: How many months is the school year?

TU: Ten months, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: So you have two months more than enough time to do the trainings why do it during the school year?

TU: The rule, Mr. Chair, is that we have that incept na tinatawag na nangyari nga po during summer months. Pero minsan lang, Mr. Chair, mayroon pong nangyayari during school year but, baka. I don't want to say, Mr. Chair, during those periods na may sem break. Mayroon din po nangyari din po iyan Mr. Chair. In terms of you know whether this being done regularly whether they expect it, Mr. Chair, I want to get back with you on it.

CHIZ: How many scholarships for teachers? I think that's the main thrust of Senator Binay as well. On top of the seminars, the continuing training for teachers on the year it graces to update them with whatever is (inaudible) to give them (inaudible) with whatever new developments. In English or in Math or in Science, on top of that if the teacher wants to take up Masters. Gusto niya mag masters degree, gusto niya mag doctorate. Does DepEd have a program for them or would that be CHED already?

TU: Wala pong ganoong programa, Mr. Chair, for example where mayroon po kaming separate na programa na mag aapply sila and they will avail of some funds for subsidy or what.

CHIZ: Pondo ninyo or pondo ng CHED?

TU: Ng DepEd, Mr. Chair wala po kaming ganoon Mr. Chair pero meron po kami Mr. Chair na case-to-case basis. I'll get back with the complete information with this honorable committee, partnership for example with some universities, private and state universities, Mr. Chair, na magkakaroon po ng discount at doon minsan Mr. Chair, kapag napili po na mahusay ang mga guro. Mayroon po kaming criteria, pwede rin pong sinasagot ng DepEd but I want to be very specific, Mr. Chair. With the respect to the others, funded by UNESCO, by Australian government they write us the Australian embassy or (inaudible) they have this available number of slots to have this kind of scholarship program.

CHIZ: But there's no actual program to encourage or provide for assistance whereby a teacher who would want to level up and take up masters can actually apply.

TU: Yes Mr. Chair, except for the special arrangements that we enter into with the state universities and private colleges and universities for some special program po sa ating mga guro para hindi po sila kinakailangan halimbawa pumasok araw araw. Pwede pong ilang araw lamang po kada lingo, parang special program leading to a special degree, masteral degree.

CHIZ: Do you have that (inaudible)?

TU: Wala po kaming, wala po kaming the way your…

CHIZ: Do you have that in all SUCs?

TU: I'm sorry, Mr. Chair?

CHIZ: Do you have that in all state universities?

TU: No, no, no. Not Mr. Chair Don't know Mr. Chair case-to-case po.

CHIZ: That's it. It's geographical and it's subjective at best. We have a teacher who lives in (inaudible) who teaches in Sulu. A teacher who teaches in Quezon, teacher teaches in CAR would want to avail of it. It's not ready available depending kung sino man ang kausap ninyo. So walang ganoong programa talaga?

TU: Sa ngayon po wala po Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Talaga? Not blaming you. Sa katagalan wala?

TU: Opo. I will double check maybe we have something like that before Mr. Chair and I beg for the indulgence of the honorable committee.

NB: Mr. Chair, sigurado if sila Asec. Umali will have that data, baka pwede po kayong mag-submit sa committee ng mga teachers na on their own sila nalang ang nagbayad to pursue a continuing education. And baka you can also submit to the committee iyong listahan ho noong mga naka tie-up ninyo and kung ilan na ho ang naka avail noong programa ninyo na iyon? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: With the permission of Senator Binay, can I consolidate the continuing education for teachers filed by Senator Gatchalian? Senate Bill No. 206. On Senate Bill No. 364 your bill on education assistance to public school teachers. Can I just make this part of tha Magna Carta? So that it will be part of the rights of the public school teachers institutionally. And not simply receptive program that might not be funded if its passed as a separate law? With your permission, of course.

NB: No, I will yield to the wisdom of the Chairman.

CHIZ: Para isang basahan tayo? Senate Bill No. 206 and is hereby consolidated with Senate Bill No. 36. Isama na natin iyon doon.

NB: Mr. Chair, before we go on to that gusto ko lang humingi ng update doon sa CHED. Kumusta na 'yung for the teachers na pagsuporta doon sa K-12?

CHIZ: Ito na 'yun.

RESOURCE PERSON (RP): Good morning, Mr. Chair. The Commission on Higher Education, we have unit K-12 and the programs pertaining to the (inaudible) affected by the K-12 is under that unit and we have the transition fund operating that unit and part of our position paper we'll send you the data on that. Thank you.

CHIZ: Alam ko magulo iyon. On that subject matter, Senate Bill No. 392, item number seven filed by Senator (Loren) Legarda, an act establishing a legacy fund to support and proven sustain education during the transition period of the enhanced basic education of 2013. Do you need this one? Where are we related in transition period is what from year to what year? Asec. Umali anong transition natin noong K-12?

TU: I'm sorry I was looking at item number seven.

CHIZ: Item number seven, exactly, anong transition natin.

TU: Mr. Chair, the transition period should be like until 2020 to 2021. I will give you the figures, Mr. Chair. We talked about transition period, Mr. Chair, is like school year 2017-2018 there will be no incoming first year college students (inaudible) in 2019 going first year to second year, 2019 to 2020 no second year for third year. So by 2020-2021, all students in college should be complete.

CHIZ: (inaudible) institutions during this period.

TU: Mr. Chair, but there's a special fund administered by CHED which maybe act by our lecturers, professors affected during by this transition in years and they could avail. You know, if they do the scholarships.

CHIZ: This is more on the teachers in tertiary institutions that might be displaced.

TU: Yes, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Because there will be less enrollees. What are you doing about it (inaudible), Ms. Hernandez? 'Di ba iyon ang problema, bababa ang enrolment kasi walang ga-graduate ng high school, walang magka-college, so paano? What was the plan in so far (inaudible) is concerned?

RP: Mr. Chair, as I mentioned a while ago we have the K-12 by unit at CHED and they will provide the data.

CHIZ: How are you supporting if any tertiary institutions affected by lower enrolment because of the advert K-12.

RP: Mr. Chair, with your due respect, may be allowed at my companion Mr. Reyan Zabate.

CHIZ: Please.

RP: Be called to reply. Thank you.

CHIZ: Papalapit ka pa lang nakasimangot ka na, ikaw naman. Yes please.

RP: Good morning, Mr. Chair, as regards to the one mentioned by Manuel Hernandez.

CHIZ: What's your name again?

RP: Reyan Zabate, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Ryan, Reyan?

RP: Reyan, Mr. Chair

NB: Mr. Chair, what's your position?

RP: I'm the chief education program of the special for the Office of (inaudible) Governance. The program management unit is a separate unit from our office but what we can only provide Madam, Mr. Chair and Senators is that what we have known the programs of this K-12 transition unit which is partly funded by GAA and partly funded by our higher education development fund. The program provides for scholarship programs for tertiary, high education professors who apply for scholarship grants and then there are also grants that provides for development grants within the institution. These are all project based and the teachers will apply for such fund.

CHIZ: Mag-aapply ang mga teachers na mawawalan ng trabaho dahil walang enrollees. 'Di ba? Instead of 1,000 ang nag-graduate lang sa high school na nag-apply sa college nila is on or about 200 or 100. So, of course the tertiary institutions will cut down.

TU: Yes.

CHIZ: The question is iyan ba ang programang sinasabi ko para sa kanila?

TU: Yes, Mr. Chair, they are also providing funds for those who we termed them as 'displaced faculty members.'

CHIZ: But the fund is scholarships.

TU: Yes, Mr. Chair because they have to go to schools..

CHIZ: Kapag nag-scholarship sila ang babayaran ay iyong school kung saan sila mag-aaral. Wala pa rin silang sweldo.

TU: There are incentives also, Mr. Chair, because aside from the scholarship grant they also received an allowance.

CHIZ: Habang nag-aaral sila?

TU: Yes, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Kung hindi sila nag-apply, wala?

TU: Yes, Mr. Chair.

NB: So, technically Mr. Chair, ang lumalabas ay iyong mga displaced, wala ng trabaho until they apply for a scholarship? Ganoon ho ba ang mangyayari doon sa mga teachers?

CHIZ: Is that it? Is that how's, I don't know if that is under CHED (interrupted)

TU: It's CHED Mr. Chair but I'm kind of aware with this because you know, Mr Chair, we are asked during (interrupted).

CHIZ: Alam ko humingi kami ng pondo sa inyo noon sa DepEd to support.

TU: Opo. But that is banished by CHED, Mr. Chair. Ang sinasabi ko lamang po, Mr. Chair ay iyong ayaw pong magturo sa senior high school at ayaw.

CHIZ: Sir, I would like to acknowledge the presence, excuse me, Senator Angara. Good morning, Sir.

SENATOR SONNY ANGARA (SA): Thank you, good morning.

TU: Opo, Mr. Chair at iyon talagang nagsabi na lang na magre-resign na lamang po sila ay binibigyan po hanggang mula tatlo hanggang anim na buwan na suweldo na pwede pong kuhain doon sa pondo na iyon, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Ang naalala ko, I don't know how long are you in this department.

TU: Since 2010, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Do you remember the discussions na parang since kulang iyong facilities natin for Grades 11 and 12. In fact, wala tayong facility for kinder. The DepEd seems to have forgotten the K-12, hindi lang 1 to 12 ito; that DepEd would utilize the facilities of tertiary educations that might be affected for the lower enrollment.

And in fact, if I remember correctly there was a fund that was established beside not GASTPE precisely for that purpose. May mga estudyante sa public high schools na walang facilities pa sa 11 at 12 especially for a certain tracks will hold their classes in those private schools and you will compensate the private tertiary institutions. Wasn't there is such a thing implemented before.

TU: Nangyari po iyan, Mr. Chair. So, iyong mga higher education institutions na nagnais na magpatupad ng senior high school ay nag-apply po ng permit at binigyan po natin iyon at iyong mga bata katulad po ng sinabi po ninyo, Mr. Chair, dahil iyong kanilang offering; iyong tracks that they would like pursue ay offered halimbawa po doon private HEI po na ito ay pwede pong pumunta doon. The subsidy amount, we called it GASTPE, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Oo nga, GASTPE nga rin. That's what I was referring to earlier.

TU: For this year, it's like an allocation of more or less Php3-B, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: It's a voucher system that you paid to the school, right?

TU: Yes, Mr. Chair, Php22,500 for NCR. Outside NCR, considered as highly-urbanized city, etcetera, Php20,000, Mr. Chair. Outside those two areas, Php17,500.

CHIZ: What is the level of availment? Can you give it to us?

TU: Yes, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: I want to find out how many schools avail of it and how much? To be able to find out how much help was given to them during the transition period.

TU: Will provide the details.

CHIZ: Please give it to us Asec Umali. One more question, sorry, do you have any nickname, Renen?

RP: Reyen, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Ano ba spelling non?

RP: R-e-y-e-n, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Nickname na 'yan o totoong pangalan?

RP: Totoo pong pangalan, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Saan ninyo naman nakuha iyan? Reyen, gaano kalaki ang pondo para sa scholarship ng teachers sa private-tertiary intitutions? Meaning, if someone applies will they automatically be accepted? Meaning kahit ilan ang mag-apply kaya? O may limit, may cut, may requirements, may qualifications?

RP: There are requirements, Mr. Chair, and then there is list of requirements that the faculty members will have to apply for instance. If they still need master's degree, if they are not yet, it is now the time of our faculty members on the higher education should study because of the transition. And lessen the number of students, for the exact date Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: With the legacy fund, submit that to us. Submit to us the (inaudible) and submit to us the checklist of requirements.

RP: Yes, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Just for us be able to compute how much were given already by way of transition at kung may kulang 'yun na lang ang ilalagay namin sa legacy fund.

RP: Yes, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Discussion on the legacy fund is hereby referred, pending submission the data from both DepEd and CHED. Senate Bill number 493, plantilla position in the Department of Education for volunteer teachers filed by Senator (Sonny) Trillanes, may I ask the DBM tapos na ba ang rationalization ng DepEd?

RP: Yes, Mr. Chair, but the teaching positions are not part of rationalization plan. In fact, we have been increasing yearly the number of teaching positions.

CHIZ: By how many?

RP: For 2016 we created 74,288 positions and for 2017, we will create 40,000 positions and in 2018 based on the submissions of agencies, we are estimating 96,000 additional teaching positions.

CHIZ: Question, since the subject matter, anong ranking priority ang binibigay sa volunteer teachers as in the bill, who have been teaching for 5 years. Meron pang points 'yun? May I ask Asec Umali?

RP: Meron po. Mr. Chair, teachers experience isa po 'yun sa…

CHIZ: Volunteer teacher na siya for the past 5 years.

RP: Mr. Chair, if I may say, halos lahat and I give concrete numbers Mr. Chair na volunteer teachers po whoa are qualified are already given plantilla item positions. Kung meron man Mr. Chair, baka ito po ay kaka-create lamang po na 'position' dahil nakita po ng mga paaralan na kailangan pa nilang kumuha ng volunteer teachers. Pero I'm very confident to say Mr. Chair, more than 90%.

CHIZ: How's your hiring now? How many teachers they supposed to hire last year?

RP: The number of teachers because the K-12 is supposed to be created 74,288.

CHIZ: How many teachers did you hire last year?

RP: Almost 60,000 Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: May I ask the DBM, for how many months did you complete the 74,000?

RP: That is number of positions, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: For how many months salary?

RP: That is for 12 months.

CHIZ: Why? When I was Finance Chair, we reduced that amount tremendously. Why? Ask DepEd, they cannot hire 74,000 on January 1. Mostly they will hire, they submit that to us, mostly they will hire sometime March, will be some time October, sometime June. Look at their data, in fact, way back 10 years ago they could not even fill up 15,000 items.

So sayang 'yung budget, sayang yung budget space. Why compute for 12months times 74,000 when you can actually ask DepEd ilan 'yung maha-hire niyo by March, we compute March-December. Ilan 'yung mahihire niyo by June, we compute June to December. Ilan 'yung mahihire niyo by October, then we provide October to December. Then you have much fiscal space.

I inform DepEd too, of that fiscal space. Because it is part of your budget already you can do so many things with that money other than allocating it for teachers' salaries which you can't hire anyway for, as it if ever happen, have you ever been able to hire a total teacher items that you are supposed to hire on January 1?

RP: No, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Never so for example can you also shift using this fund? Using this fund, they have savings. Asec. Umali (inaudible) panahon na para magkaroon ng non-teaching personnel. Iyon ba ang nais ninyo sa resonalization? Mr. Lito? Iyong non-teaching personnel?

RP: Yes, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Sa rationalization?

RP: Yes, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: In part of, each division should have its own separate non-teaching personnel like five clerks, an accountant, and a messenger. Do they have that already?

RP: It was considered, Mr. Chair, for the rationalization program.

CHIZ: Do you have that already?

RP: Yes, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: All divisions?

RP: Yes, Mr. Chair, bale po bahagi po noong rationalization plan mula po sa central office hanggang division level. Ni-reclassify po sila as small, medium, large. Depende po when they are allowed to a small division doon po iyong dami ng…

CHIZ: And you are able already to fill up non-teaching personnel?

RP: Yes, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: When did it start?

RP: Should be more than a year ago, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Can you give me an update on the status of that?

RP: Yes, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: So I asked this question because in the Philippine history the teacher ratio is actually beautiful and nice. It's one is to 35. But if you go out in the field the ratio is 1:50, 1:60, simply because the secretary, the messenger, the alalay, the tagaimpla ng kape ng superintendent teacher pa rin. And not inside the classroom, in fact even your principals.

I don't know if you have a memorandum order issued by the DepEd already regarding your principals. They refuse to teach already. Kasi daw principal na sila marami na silang trabaho and yet that principal is still counted as a teacher in your student to teacher ratio, unless there is a memorandum that requires the principal to also have a load. When the certain number units that he or she should choose. When I was studying in QBIS, our principal was teaching.

I cannot forget she taught Trigonometry, pareho kami ni Digong isa sa mga hated subjects ko din kaya. So they should have a load too, unless you decide there is a separate (inaudible) for non-teaching administrative personnel. May separate promotion system sa kanila until you reach principal. Then you have a separate promotion system for teachers until you reach ang pinakamataas.

RP: Na master teacher po?

CHIZ: Master teacher what?

RP: Three or four.

CHIZ: Master Teacher IV.

RP: For salary grade to anyone, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Para hiwalay iyong track because (inaudible), the teacher will not make you automatically the administrator. There might be some separate training for them actually. Hiwalay na seminar ngayon kumbaga.

RP: Yeah.

CHIZ: Hindi na sa pagiging teacher.

RP: Yeah I completely agree, Mr. Chair, dahil nga iyong POPCOM po ang nangyayari diyan kapag iyong career growth po n gating mga guro na mahusay magturo ay narating na po niya iyong kaniyang pinakamataas na.

CHIZ: Pumi-principal na siya, kapag tumaas pa siya.

RP: Yes, Mr. Chair. Principal I po natin katumbas po ng Master Teacher I. But pwede po siyang mag apply as supervisor na Mr. Chair at sayang nga po.

CHIZ: Iyon na iyong inaambisyon na nila ngayon that they're good teachers and again that made them administrators and your excess fund. Since if they really compute the days from January 1 to December may excess fund to hire additional non-teaching personnel to perform non teaching functions so that your teachers can be thrown back into the classroom.

Sayang, parang pulis lang iyan na driver ng heneral. Mag-hire sila ng driver huwag pulis na mag-da-drive. Maghire sila ng security guard na tiga bukas ng gate kahit na Aguinaldo o Crame pa iyan. Hindi sundalo o pulis. Trabaho ng sundalo at pulis, hindi trabaho ng. Trabaho ng security guard iyon hindi trabaho ng sundalo at pulis. You have the meaning in their profession.

So kindly look into that as we try to. One more, do you have a classification. Hindi ba you sometimes authorized certain highschools and certain elementary schools to be, what you call it. Pwede sila mag-purchase, pwede na silang bumili. Hindi iyong dumadaan sa regulation. Hindi ba may ganoon kayo?

RP: I'll call them implementing units.

CHIZ: Implementing units. Implementing units should have additional personnel as well because they have more obligations.

RP: We should have book keeper, Sir.

CHIZ: Bookkeeper, ngayon ang bookkeeper hindi ba teacher pa rin. So kindly look into it and you might be able to make some adjustments for the 2017 Budget along these lines if your need help. If we try to coordinate and communicate with DBM so that adjustments can be made. Realignment lang naman siya. Now same expense category pa rin.

NB: Sir, isa na lang just to add Mr. Lito, iyong Php17,000 teaching allowance yun?

RP: Yes, Madame.

NB: For non-teaching ilan?

RP: For the non-teaching, it depends on the request of the agency, Madame Chair.

CHIZ: 'Yun 'yung kulang siguro.

NB: Oo. Kindly submit to the committee kung ilan 'yung non-teaching.

RP: Yes po.

SA: Siguro Asec. Umali, sir, this year, hindi ba DBM said may additional 60,000 pa kayong positions na pwedeng i-fill-up this year? Correct?

TU: 40,000.

NB: 40,000, so ilan na dun sa 40,000 'yung nafi-fill-up ninyo?

RP: We'll give you an update on that Mr. Chair, Madame Senator.

NB: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Thank you. During the answers of our resource persons and given that 90% of them on training for volunteer teachers, in so far as the number of items created for the past two or three years which are numerous indeed, number in the 70s, and reaching up to about 90,000 at its peak, Chair hereby declares the intention, or the situation in Senate Bill 4936 to provide for has been rendered moot, given the hiring in the regional funds in the hiring of teachers and given that volunteer teachers for as long as they qualify, have been hired to the tune of more than 90%.

Chair hereby instructs the (inaudible) to communicate with the Office of Senator Trillanes and thereafter, for the same to be archived without prejudice to the same bill filed (inaudible) if the situation changed. So ordered. Senate Bill No. 704 filed by Senator Aquino is hereby ordered to be consolidated with Senate Bill No. 75.

On additional compensation, for the information of Senator Angara, the bill of Senator Aquino and Senator Cayetano seek to provide a 1,000 additional medical benefit per year and a 3,000 per month increase for the next three years (inaudible) but as what we've discussed earlier, public school teachers already received by far more compensation than their private school counterparts. No. 2, they are actually receiving already 14th Month Pay, via the midyear bonus and via the performance bonus, their potential 15th Month Pay is equivalent right now to a maximum of 65% right now of their salary. Which may reach up to 100% kung sila iyung pinaka-best at model employee.

SA: Mr. Chair that's after the EO, after full implementation of the EO.

CHIZ: After full implementation.

SA: What is the numerical figure for the starting? For Teacher 1? Yung yearly package Asec, Mr. Chair?

TU: More than ano, Mr. Chair, nasa akin po yung bago yung increase yung yearly, 334,648.88, pero yung, eto pa po yung monthly po niya ay 19,077. So yung halaga pong iyung including allowances and bonuses. Sa ngayon po is already 19,000…I'm trying to compute right now..

SA: Yung all-in na lang. Yung sinabi, lahat nung sinabi ni Chairman. Ano yung yearly figure? Just give us one figure.

TU: Yes Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: So ordered. SBN 907, Instructional Material Allowance filed by Senator Gatchalian. Senator Angara hindi ba nag-increase tayo ng chalk allowance nung nakaraan?

SA: Yeah. I think the initiative of, Mr Chairman or Senator (Ralph) Recto.

CHIZ: So it's chalk, pencil, eraser, class record, manila paper, art paper. May I ask Asec, magkano ba ibinibigay?

TU: Ang nakalagay dun sa akin Mr. Chair is Php1,500 but I think…

CHIZ: So that is what they are giving now?

TU: Yes Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: So in everything allowance na iyon?

TU: We call it Chalk Allowance, Mr. Chair, at Everything Allowance. Kalimitan ginagamit din 'yun pong pambili ng Pentel pen, manila paper.

CHIZ: I remember it started at Php300.

TU: Yes Mr. Chair, around Php500 Mr. Chair.

RP: Mr. Chair, if I may be allowed.

CHIZ: Now it's Php1,500.

TU: Yes, Sir.

RP: Mr. Chair, under the 2017 GAA, you have increased the Chalk Allowance from 1,500 to Php2,500, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Given that the chalk and materials allowance of teachers have already been increased to Php2,500, having been increased from Php1,500 to Php2,500, kailan ito in-increase ng Php2,500? 2017?

RP: 2017 GAA.

CHIZ: Chair hereby recommends that the same be simply included in the annual GAA and increasing it on a regular basis as well and hereby declares and renders Senate Bill No. 907 moot and Chair instructs the secretary to communicate with the Office of Senator Gatchalian so that this may be archived for the aforementioned reasons.

Students Benefits. We are now on Item B. Do we have representatives from the students sector? Wala? From COCOPEA? PASUC is here, NYC?

Administratively, Chair here by orders that the following bills be consolidated under the Magna Carta of Students rights. Senate Bill Nos. 336 The Magna Carta; 417 Students Rights Welfare Act; 723 Magna Carta for Students; 1029 Students Right and Welfare Act; 693 Students Rights and Welfare Act; 1194 Magna Carta of Students Athletes; 133 One Family One Graduate Act; Senate Bill No. 662 on Fare Discounts for Students Act; Senate Bill No. 945 Student Fare Discount Privileges on Land, Water, Air and Rail Transport Utilities; Scholarship for the Poor Act; Anti No Permit, No Exam Policy Act; Senate Bill No. 671 Free Cultural Experience Students Act; Senate Bill No. 819 Libreng Kolehiyo Para sa Batang Siyentipiko Act; Senate Bill No. 1174 Free Admission to Public Museums and National Shrines and Landmarks to Public School Students; Senate Bill No. 1226 Students Privilege Act of 2016; Senate Bill No. 1358 Free Dormitory Act of 2017 as well as Senate Bill No. 946 Campus Safety and Security Act; and Senate Bill No. 1176 bearing the same title.

All of these pertain to student's rights and welfare. Can we invite in the next hearing aside from PASUC, representatives of COCOPEA as well? Who I understand have some concerns with respect to the Magna Carta for the longest time. PASUC, any concerns on the Magna Carta?

RP: Good morning Mr. Chair!

CHIZ: We've been talking about this for the past twenty years.

RP: Yes po, Sir. We support for the state universities and colleges that the legislations for the Magna Carta for the students and as far as I know Sir we don't have any issue on the Magna Carta.

CHIZ: For the next hearing, can we invite LTFRB, can we invite transport groups: bus, taxi, jeepney covered by the discount on the public transportation. Can we also invite the Philippine National Police, whoever is in charge to discuss the campus safety and security part of the Magna Carta? Again to reiterate, COCOPEA can we invite also CHED for that purpose.

SA: Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Yes, Senator.

SA: Could we also invite 'yung association ng local colleges, ALCU ata 'yun?

CHIZ: Let's invite everyone actually: ALCU, PASUC, COCOPEA. I have a question about the Magna Carta, does it only cover college students? Pati elementary, high school dapat iyon, 'di ba?

RP: Good morning Mr. Chair, yes, the National Youth Commission support passing the Magna Carta covering all students and the present bills submitted it only covers secondary and full secondary education and technical vocational. If we can also include those in the elementary because I believe that the Department of Education has its policy on Child Protection Policy.

CHIZ: Let's invite DepEd as well but principally we will schedule one hearing just on the Magna Carta bills. Para matapos natin lahat even if it takes about two hearings just that para mapagsama-sama lang natin because I have every intention of passing it within the year at least committee. Actually not later than last quarter, the third quarter rather of this year. So we have enough time to debate it on the floor. For the longest time, napasa na ba ito Sonny?

SA: I try to remember if it got passed committee.

CHIZ: Even when we were in the House.

SA: Yeah.

CHIZ: We intend to pass this at least in the committee level and bring it to the floor so that in the next Congress if it doesn't pass this will be one of the bills that will be fasttracked with Senator Nancy and Senator Sonny and I won't be here anymore.

SA: Chair, also just for information purposes. The fare transport bills were heard once already and I think the LTFRB was present and gave their position.

CHIZ: Isama na natin dun sa budget natin, no?

SA: As rights, including the rights. I'm afraid it might get lost but it's totally within the discretion of the Chair.

CHIZ: May resistance ba doon? Sige. Can you convert it into a formal motion? Do it separately.

SA: So move, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: So move, there'll be no objection. Chair hereby amend its earlier order, Senate Bill No. 662 and 945 is hereby separated from the Magna Carta Bills and will be taken up separately and I think we assigned this already to you or to Senator Bam.

SA: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Kanino? A, we assign it to you.

SA: Thank you.

CHIZ: So, you hear it already.

SA: Yes, we will do. Thank you.

CHIZ: OK. Thank you. Both public and private ka ito Sonny, no? Basta estudyante ka? Hindi lang sa public school ha?

SA: Yes, Mr. Chair. Even tech voc, actually.

CHIZ: Masteral? Doctorate?

SA: I think so.

CHIZ: Ganoon? 'Yung may trabaho't sweldo na, may discount pa rin?

SA: We can exclude them if you feel na they're not deserving.

CHIZ: So, ordered. Senate Bill No. 906, Teacher Education Scholarship Program, this provides for grants to students enrolling in tertiary in teacher education. This was already covered by Free Tertiary Bill. Chair hereby orders that this be consolidated with Senate Bill No. 1277, 1304 on Universal Access to Tertiary Education passed by the Senate and/or for it to be taken into consideration in the passage of that bill, so ordered. Same order goes for Senate Bill No. 1175 filed by Senator Trillanes on Free College Education for Information and Communications Technology. Again, given the passage of the Free Tertiary Education Act, so ordered. Item C, Senate Bill No. 537 on ASec. Umali. Sir, ano ito? Sa totoo lang, binasa ko, hindi ko maintindihan.

SA: Sinong author?

CHIZ: Senator Trillanes. I just don't understand it, what the purpose is? I'll read the title to you. An Act Establishing the Division of Public School Accountability to Administer all Monitoring and Compliance Activity Dealing with Academic Accountability for Each School or School District, and to Report Academic Progess, and for other purposes. Wala ba kayong ganyan?

TU: Mr. Chair, I beg for the indulgence. When I got the agenda, it only covers teacher's benefits and campus safety bills. So that's what we have.

CHIZ: A. Look at it now. Please, look at it now. I'll skip two items then I'll get back to it. Tapusin na natin ang division of public school academic accountability natin.

TU: Parang, Mr. Chair, it's to create an office within DepEd to be headed by an assistant secretary in Section 5, says there.

CHIZ: Is this the subject matter of the rationalization plan supposedly? 'Di ba, Mr. Lita?

LITA (DBM): It could have been studied already but nonetheless a creation of an office may be subject to another round of review of the organizational…

CHIZ: Off-hand, is there a need? When the rough plan was discussed given there in 2010 as he said, was this considered taking into account? Is there a need for it? Are you familiar or aware of it?

TU: Well, sa ngayon po ang mga obligasyon na nakita ko po sa Section 5, ang tungkulin po ng opisyal na ito ay ginagawa po ito ng ating USec for governance and operations. So, the answer should be yes when we say, 'have we considered this?' I mean this kind of EOR o kung mayroon po bang isang assistant secretary o undersecretary na tutugon po dito sa kasalukuyan nga po ay an gating for governance and operations. If you may, Mr. Chair, separate office are being articulated, wala pong ganoong pag-uusap na nangyari. Specifically on monitoring the compliant of our schools with respects to–

CHIZ: So, nobody's monitors it?

TU: We do but the way, ihihiwalay na opisina, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Can you submit to us a letter Sir, basically saying which offices, if any, are performing already in the functions enumerated herein.

TU: Yes, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: And if it was considered it all, how during your discussions with DBM on the rationalization plan. And in the meantime we will defer considerations of this until we receive such report and if indeed this is already address. Then we will communicate with the author and have this archive as well. Let me go back now to Senate Bill 133: An Act Establishing a Mechanism to Enable Poor Filipino Families to Have at Least One College Graduate by Institutionalizing the Expanse and Grants in It." Senator Angara?

SA: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: How it is differ from the UNIFAST?

SA: Well, it's a logical progression, I would say from UNIFAST. UNIFAST sort of put things in the right boxes and give the legal mandate to for Congress to fund more than just tuition in the first legislative authorization for Congress to fund more institutions.

But in the sense puts greater focus in it because it says that you must prioritize those who are under the 4Ps or CCT program of the government. And we passed the free tuition or when we proposed it, there was a lot of noise or unhappiness from some of the educational experts and economist who said that it will result into a lot of freeriding and a lot of economic jargon basically saying that it would not target the poorest of the poor.

So, I think this is a good companion measure, Mr. Chair, because this is a targeted measure and it will cover more than just them. The reason is being the CHED says most of the poor tend to drop-out before and not complete college. So, this one would ensure that each poor family would at least have one graduate which would tend to lift the – figuratively lift the boat of the family that would entail probably some sort of a – babawiin na siguro kapag ganoon. But the intention really is to be inclusive in the sense that should help that student graduate. But that the reality would dictate probably some would drop out along the way, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Should this not be part or amendment to UNIFAST? Just a question.

SA: Pwede but it's a progression, it's a separate law.

CHIZ: If it is complements it, do you want to amendment to UNIFAST or separate law talaga?

SA: We'll I'd prefer it to be a separate law. I think it's completed itself and it can refer back to UNIFAST. I think it doesn't refer back to UNIFAST because that's already filed also last year when we passed UNIFAST law. So they were filed simultaneously. So UNIFAST was not yet a law that time.

CHIZ: So if its 4Ps beneficiary, physically and mentally fit, high school graduate or equivalent, kung mag-enroll siya sa SUC?

SA: He would be get the free tuition in that case and probably get the additional allowances for the miscellaneous fees, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: So 'yun na lang ang madadagdag sa kanya? Allowance.

SA: Yes but I think the point is really to give them a choice which education institution to attend. So it's a voucher system they could start it, they could choose, the choice is up to the beneficiary. Subject to the cost.

CHIZ: 'Di ba SUC naman ito?

SA: No it's an, I think it's meant to be a voucher. But it prefers to SUC but we can cover. I think a wider application would include non SUCs.

CHIZ: A wider application would have more reason for us not to include in the free tertiary.

SA: We can expand it so.

CHIZ: Voucher.

SA: We can expand it but my thinking was that given that we have the free tuition of SUCs maybe we can do the…

CHIZ: Then it covers both public and private but for public, for SUCs, it only covers allowance, whatever.

SA: Yes, it will supplement the…

CHIZ: …budget. Chair hereby assigns Senator Angara; you have to see it through.

SA: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

CHIZ: I make the corresponding draft committee reports so that the same can be referred back to the committee for its final disposition and refer it to the committee. So ordered.

SA: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: The second part would be Senate Bill No. 78, 996, 1298, 1331 and 906 and 1331 rather. This pertain to children with special needs, children with disabilities, may I ask the DepEd, ano 'yung programa niyo ngayon dito? Do you need a law? May SPED na.

RP: Mr. Chair, I haven't seen the bill again.

CHIZ: We'll reschedule this ComSec; ihiwalay natin ito for a separate hearing. Ito lang but can you invite as well, kindly find out if there are organizations let's say, may CPAS organization those suffering for cerebral palsy. There are different associations. Can you coordinate with DepEd and request the complete list?

RP: Generally Mr. Chair, the present program on, with or without looking at the bill Mr. Chair, the special education by DepEd's principle of inclusivity, inclusive education. Meaning Mr. Chair, hangga't maari po kung kakayanin pong isama ang bata halimbawa maski may ADHD siya o anumang exceptionality Mr. Chair ay isasama siya sa regular na klase.

At kapag kinakailangan lang po talaga base po sa nakikita ng guro na kailangan ihiwalay at merong special interventions doon lang po natin ginagawa ito. If there are like two or more exceptionalities, Mr. Chairm, at so much number of students, I'll get back to you Mr. Chair.

Ang nakita po sa isang paaralan under the law, under our present order on this we could or the principal could request that their school be designated as a special education center. And as such Mr. Chair, kapag special education center siya meron po yang automatic na espesyal na pag pondo at kung ilan po ang natukoy na dami ng bata na ganun ang exceptionality. Bawat isa po may ibinibigay po na pondo at meron po silang SPED teachers. So the idea Mr. Chair is that all schools having said that Mr. Chair na gusto po naming inclusivity so the capability to accept students with exceptionality. Again there are two or more, there is so much numbers of students. They should be designated as SPED center, Mr. Chair.

NB: Mr. Chair?

CHIZ: Yes Senator Binay.

NB: Siguro can you submit na lang, if you don't have the detail right now. Ilan ho ngayon iyong naka-enrol sa mga high school natin na may exceptionality?

TU: Yes, Madame.

NB: And how many schools iyong may capability din to accommodate special.

TU: Yes.

NB: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: And kindly give us list of the various associations so that groups that deals with this situation. So we can invite them as well. Share the concept so I will schedule a separate hearing. Just for children with special needs and children with disabilities. And invite all those needed in order to get their inputs. To name a few the various associations, DepEd, DBM. In children with special needs ba kasama na pati tertiary? Yes? And CHED as well. Commissioner Ventura?

JAMES CESAR VENTURA (JCV): One of the tiers of sectors of the youth po is the youth with special needs. And some of them are actually going into college. So we might as well.

CHIZ: Maganda.

JCV: Include them po.

CHIZ: Including CHED, as well as the various associations. So ordered. Ngayon isa-isahin natin iyong holiday. Sa totoo lang hindi ko alam bakit nasa committee ko ito. Senate Bill No. 108 Lapu Lapu Day, wala pa ba tayong Lapu Lapu Day? Ano ito Lapu Lapu lang ang kakainin natin sa araw na iyon? Why do we have a Lapu Lapu Day? Do we have a Lapu Lapu Day? Yes you may. I mean who can I ask? NH?

RP: Mr. Chair, National Historical Commission.

CHIZ: So, why is April 27 Lapu Lapu Day?

RP: Well, it commemorates the battle of Mactan, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: April 27 was the Battle of Mactan?

RP: Yes Mr. Chair where the forces, the men of Lapu-Lapu defeated, killed Magellan. That is the basis perhaps doon sa.

CHIZ: Tigilan na natin iyong holiday ng mga Pilipino na namatay ha.

RP: Yes Sir.

CHIZ: Lahat ng holiday natin Filipino namatay.

RP: (laughs) Yes Sir.

CHIZ: Pati iyong pagkamatay ni Hesus holiday. So this is the day when Lapu-Lapu actually killed Magellan?

RP: Yes Sir, the men Lapu-Lapu killed Magellan. Yes Sir, Mr. Chair. So that is the basis of this.

CHIZ: So do you support this?

RP: Well the NHP, our policy, is that whenever proposed bills are based on historic event, we do not freely object but we leave, we leave the decision to the wisdom of the Congress.

CHIZ: My problem is, if I were to ask you, not admitting that we don't have wisdom but, if I were to ask you, sinu-sino ba iyong dapat nating bigyan ng special working public holiday? Who deserves it? What would be our guidelines to who deserve it?

RP: Well, Mr. Chair, it is very hard to give holidays to all our heroes because they are so numerous. If we will allow that, we'd have a lot of holidays every year so, but right now there are only two to which of course obviously it is Rizal and Bonifacio Day.

CHIZ: Araw ng Kagitingan. National Heroes Day.

RP: Meron na Sir. Yes Sir.

CHIZ: Iyong isa Ingles, iyong isa Tagalog. I don't understand why even separated it?

RP: But basically Sir, there are a lot of heroes but the determination whether they deserve a holiday or not. Para sa amin is enough na. We have already have enough holidays. Iyong National Heroes Day, in fact lahat na sila doon.

CHIZ: No pero may Araw ng Kagitingan ka pa.

RP: Araw ng Kagitingan, Sir, is about, actually the Fall of Bataan. Pinalitan lamang po ng pangalan.

CHIZ: In the States they have the Presidents Day. Lahat na ng president pinagsama-sama nila sa isang holiday. Tayo iba pa iyong Kagitingan sa Bataan, iba pa iyong National Hero?

RP: Yes Sir, Araw ng Kagitingan is for World War II heroes. National Heroes Day is for the…

CHIZ: Previous one.

RP: National Heroes Day is for the previous one. Rebolusyonaryo po.

CHIZ: Previous one. With Lapu-Lapu there?

RP: Of course. Yes Sir.

CHIZ: No. I'm asking.

RP: Yes Sir. Yes, in fact, yes. He's part. Kasama siya doon sa mga heroes na iyon. Considered.

CHIZ: So interior you also have Bonifacio and Rizal in there?

RP: Interior, yes Sir. But of course, there was already a law passed for Rizal and Bonifacio.

CHIZ: My problem is this, economically speaking. There are about a million, let's just talk of the BPO industry, there are about a million people working in a BPO industry. For an average Php2,000 a day, if it's a holiday, BPO industries don't care about our holidays here because they're working on different times on abroad. Yet they pay an extra Php2,000 for each one of them. And right now, we have 23 or 24 holidays. So that's an additional, approximately, of Php43-B, Php45-B, that they are paying.

I'm not saying we should remove all holidays, but that is an additional Php45-B that they are paying in BOD industries and we might not be as competitive as we used to be, especially to adding holidays. So actually, the position of the Chair, OK lang 'yung mga working public holidays but we will not add to non-working holidays anymore.

OK lang 'yung working. Just commemorating it. Let the group commemorating it do it. But we won't add to it unless we rationalized it in such a way that we agree on a certain number of holidays. And not keep on adding to it. Next time we realize it, dalawang buwan na sa isang taon ang holiday. It's unfair. So, wala kayong objection ni Lapu-Lapu?

RP: No Sir. No objection.

CHIZ: May ka-level ba si Lapu-Lapu?

RP: I cannot, very subjective question.

CHIZ: Hindi, wala siyang ka-level na bayaning napatay rin?

RP: Marami Sir. Marami po. We have Diego Silang, (Francisco) Dagohoy iyan of course, a lot of heroes, Sir.

CHIZ: For as long as it's a special working public holiday, Senator Angara, do you want to move to approve?

SA: With your amendment? (laughs)

CHIZ: It's a working holiday naman.

SA: Yeah. Move to approve.

CHIZ: So moved. There be no objection. Chair hereby directs the ComSec to draft the corresponding committee report and to communicate to the author, Senator Gordon, with respect to this. And if he wants to defend it on the floor he might have an easier time. Item No. 2714 Declaring December 25 to December 31 and January 1 as Special Non-Working Holidays. I cannot agree to this. No. Non-working.

SA: Practice working.

CHIZ: In practice work siya. It's up to the Executive, hindi ba? Sometimes the Executive declares it kapag sandwich? The Chair cannot endorse this anymore. I cannot agree actually. I would rather leave it to the Executive branch. Can we get the input of DOLE before the Chair, can we get the input of DOLE, DTI and Department of Finance? With respect to declaring six, seven, one week holiday actually yearly. Whether it falls on a weekday or weekend. No. 25 to 31. This might be too much. Let's get some data from them. In the meantime, we defer action on this.

Chair hereby orders that Senate Bill No. 865, 304 and 404 be consolidated as it well pertains to Iglesia Ni Cristo anniversary. Sino ba ang author dito? Senator (Ralph) Recto, Senator (Migz) Zubiri, Senator (Manny) Pacquiao, Senator (Loren) Legarda. All on Iglesia Ni Cristo, can you convey to them? Chair instructs the ComSec to convey to them that we will approve this but as a working holiday. Hindi. Meron din si Manny sa Iglesia Ni Cristo, as a working holiday. And that is an additional holiday given that policy initiated by the Chair earlier. And if that's okay with them for the ComSec to draft the corresponding committee report, amending it for that purpose solely for working and non-working holiday to Iglesia.

SA: Mr. Chair, may we just clarify something?

CHIZ: Yes please.

SA: We were discussing it with Senator Gatchalian, kapag working holiday, do the Labor Code provision pay compensation? I'm not entirely sure.

CHIZ: Actually, may pagkakaiba, alam ko, ang regular sa special non-working. But compensation wise, wala. Kaya lang tinawag na regular, 'yun 'yung regular holidays talaga na nasa Administrative Code in 1997.

SA: OK.

CHIZ: Outside of the Admin Code.

SA: Special.

CHIZ: Unless you amend it, it will be special.

SA: Whether it's working or non-working does it affect the applicability of the provisions of the Labor Code?

CHIZ: To my recollection, although you studied it later than I did (laughs), no.

SA: It's just both. Both of us a long time. (laughs)

CHIZ: Would anyone know? The distinction? Alam ko lang kapag regular holiday nasa Administrative Code siya unless you amend the Admin Code for it to be a regular holiday. But if not, it's a special non-working holiday.

SA: 'Yung sa Admin Code definitely walang question. I think the Labor Code provisions on paying more, apply.

CHIZ: Definitely.

SA: But my question is, my question Mr. Chair, maybe someone knows for working and non-working.

CHIZ: We'll invite DOLE, DTI and BIR.

SA: Because I think it would affect how members would consider imposing these bills. In line with what you've mentioned earlier, I share your concern about the competitiveness of some of our businesses.

CHIZ: Let us communicate with them ComSec. So for Senate Bill No. 865, 304 and 404 let's consolidate it and communicate with the authors.

Item number six 1270, ito 'yung 1270 the National Bible Day. Ito 'yung regular holiday, Sonny. Ito regular holiday talaga, ginagawang regular holiday.

SA: Bible Day.

CHIZ: Item No. 1270. The same is true for 301 ba holiday din? Non-working din?

SA: Consolidated with Tech-Voc Day, Mr. Chair. (laughs)

CHIZ: (laughs) Again, can the ComSec please communicate with Senator Manny Pacquiao and Senator (Joel) Villanueva. Just on the non-working side cause as a policy or as a general rule unless they can really justify it. I do not want to add anymore to the number of holidays we have. Senate Bill No. 1323, First Philippine Republic Day, let's proceed.

RP: Mr. Chair, we support this bill anyway it's by in fact it leads the commemoration every year of this event which is the inauguration…

CHIZ: Ano ito 'yung kay Aguinaldo?

RP: No Sir, it's in Bulacan.

CHIZ: Aguinaldo nga.

RP: Yes Sir, Aguinaldo.

CHIZ: February 9 talaga 'yung date?

RP: January 23, Sir.

CHIZ: Ba't February?

RP: January 23.

CHIZ: January 23?

RP: Yeah, 1899 when it happened.

CHIZ: Ano nangyari uli noon?

RP: It's the inauguration Sir, the 1st Philippine Republic.

CHIZ: Ano 'yung 2nd Philippine Republic?

RP: It's the Japanese Occupation.

CHIZ: That's the 2nd Philippine Republic?

RP: Second Sir and then 'yung 3rd kay President Roxas.

CHIZ: Anong nangyari sa Commonwealth? You counted the Japanese Occupation under Laurel as the 2nd Republic?

RP: That is how it was written. Actually Sir, the NHCP does not recognize. In fact Sir, NHCP…

CHIZ: Parang mali yata iyon?

RP: That's the usual na tawag Sir pero in fact, hindi na po natin ine-encourage 'yung mga ganoon na 2nd, 3rd, 4th, so many republics that we count the presidents we had.

CHIZ: Wait. We never counted Aguinaldo's government, the American Period.

RP: We did not. We did not, Sir.

CHIZ: So that's not counted as republic?

RP: No Sir, we count it as the first. Ang tawag po, 1st Republic.

CHIZ: No. 1899.

RP: 1899.

CHIZ: It's the government that had no state that had no territory.

RP: By then Sir, wala nga siya.

CHIZ: Wala then the Americans came in fact even before that Aguinaldo didn't even know that the Spaniards sold the Philippines to the US.

RP: Yes Sir.

CHIZ: In 1898.

RP: Yes Sir pero ito 'yung kino-commemorate lang because we are proud that we were the first one to establish a republic in Asia. 'Yung mga representatives from different provinces and some of them were appointed, some of them were elected and were able to gather together to form a government.

CHIZ: My problem is if we have the 1st and then the 2nd and you are referring to the Laurel Administration during the Japanese Occupation?

RP: That's how it was written before Sir ng mga historians pero ngayon ang NHCP we discourage 'yung mga 1st, 2nd and 3rd. We just found all the persons we had starting from Aguinaldo that is how it should be.

CHIZ: When was the declaration of independence made 1898, right?

RP: Yes, June 12

CHIZ: In relation to the date you have January 27

RP: January 23

CHIZ: Anong relation sa declaration of independence?

RP: Ang relation Sir ay iyong declaration of independence pinroclaim lang sa buong mundo that we are already an independent nation and that sequent act is, of course, to draft our Constitution, to elect our representatives in the government. So iyon po 'yung naging resulta noong January 23, 1899. They inaugurated the Republic to draft a constitution.

CHIZ: Actually, my problem with that is we have a tainted history. What's the last line in the declaration of independence?

RP: I think it's the 1899, Sir?

CHIZ: The 1898 Declaration of Independence.

RP: I am not sure; I'm sorry Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: No. Unfortunately, the last time it was written there, colors red, white and blue of the Philippine flag is hereby use to commemorate the American flag. "Out of our profound gratitude to that great nation for their disinterested support to our country at present and in the coming time." Something to that effect. Because we didn't know, the Philippines was sold to Spaniards and since we didn't know that, we declared our independence in 1899 and had non-existent republic. Anyone to actually celebrate that? I'm not convinced. So can you say on the record that you don't want it? So I can blame someone else? (laughs)

RP: I'm sorry Mr. Chair I cannot do that, we've been leading the commemoration I would have to handle it and answerable to my bosses.

CHIZ: Non-working rin. Special working. Senator Angara? You want to move for rest?

SA: (inaudible)

CHIZ: Ikaw?

SA: I move to approve…

CHIZ: So move duly seconded. ComSec is directed to draft the corresponding committee report on the matter. Pwede pala akong guilty nito teka tingnan natin ito. Sa Tatay ko pa yata 'to. Student Leaders Day. NYC, can we have your opinion?

RP: I'm very sorry Mr. Chair because this was not included in that list of bills that we are to study but the National Youth Commission actually celebrates, part of the SK reform law that is the International Youth Day and diyan na po natin napapasok usually.

CHIZ: When is that?

RP: August 12.

CHIZ: Ano 'yung November 17? Sorry, ano ang November 17? Bakit iyon ang National Students Leaders Day? What's the significance? Aba ewan ko kinopya ko lang ito sa Tatay ko . Unfortunately, pumanaw na 'yung Tatay ko kasi hindi ko na siya ang magtatanong. Why?

RP: I'm very sorry Mr. Chair but I cannot answer that right now I'll try to advise the commission to do research on that Sir.

CHIZ: Martial Law?

RP: Mr. Chair, if I may.

CHIZ: Please.

RP: If you allow me to quote from where we got the basis for the International Students Day, is actually based on the anniversary, the start of the (inaudible) by the Nazi's in 1939. Sir, it's internationally recognized.

CHIZ: Sinusundan lang natin.

RP: Yes Sir.

CHIZ: 'Yung pinatay ng mga Nazis. 'Yung mga estudyante.

RP: Yes Sir, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: But how are we to celebrate it? It's not a holiday. Is it declaring as such? Ano ang silbi nito?

RP: I'm very sorry Mr. Chair, I cannot answer for that question…

CHIZ: Sorry, well at least hindi ko inaprubahan ko pati ako guilty dahil ginawa ko rin sarili ko.

RP: Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Please…

RP: Sa bahagi po ng DepEd, basic education students or schools po, nagsasagawa po tayo ng pagpapaliwanag during the week kung meron pong IRR ito let's say that they should be commemorated by a week or day or a week before the actual date sa ating flag ceremony. Mr. Chair doon sa homeroom class, pinaguusapan po ito, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Do you have this?

RP: We don't have something like that Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Do you need a law for it or can you do it by administrative fiat?

TU: An EO by Malacañang but not by…

CHIZ: By Secretary of DepEd. Is she empowered to do that?

TU: We could do something like that, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Parang Linggo ng Wika lang naman 'yan, wala namang EO 'yun. May EO ba 'yun?

TU: 'Yung Linggo naman ng wika, Mr. Chair, ay nakaangkla po 'yun doon sa Agosto po 'yan.

CHIZ: Oo, pero may EO ba 'yan?

TU: Opo. Meron po 'yun sa pagkakaunawa ko, Mr. Chair. 'Yung Linggo ng Wika. There should be a law. Mr. Chair, we issue a memo if there's a law or a Malacañang EO declaring some days as a special day.

CHIZ: The other one, National Press Freedom Day, same? You discussed it but it's only applicable for tertiary schools. May campus journal din ba ang high school?

TU: Meron po.

CHIZ: Elementary, wala?

TU: Meron din po.

CHIZ: Meron?

TU: Yes, Mr. Chair, meron po tayong National Press Conference in fact, Mr. Chair. Nagsisimula po 'yan sa division, mga nanalo po sa division, region.

CHIZ: No, but this is not a holiday. It only mandates both CHED and DepEd to do corresponding programs to commemorate it.

TU: Yes.

CHIZ: 'Yun nga 'yung sinasabi niyo sa flag raising.

TU: Pinaguusapan, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: So subject to IRR na 'yun?

TU: Yes, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Ikaw na mag-move, Sonny, nung dalawa.

SA: So move, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: So move, duly second note given to Senator Nancy, and I quote the number of the bills and the title. Senate Bill No. 747 is hereby approved corresponding committee report.

Senate Bill No. 1248, An Act Declaring January 25 every Year as a Special Working Holiday throughout the Country to Commemorate the Heroism, Sacrifices of the Fallen 44 of the PNP. Na-hearing na ba 'to? Kailangan pa ba ito o hindi na? Kung may EO na, kailangan pa ba ito? January 25 din ba 'yon? Baka magkaiba pa 'yung date .

TU: Ang nakikita natin, Mr. Chair, kapag EO.

CHIZ: EO as against the law ha?

TU: Opo. Kapag law talagang inoobserbahan po sa bahagi po ng DepEd, because I know of certain EOs for example, Mr. Chair, where former President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo declaring a week as a Food Nutrition Week. And then we don't do it anymore, Mr. Chair, for some reason. But if it's a law that will institutionalize everything, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: 25 ba 'yung actual encounter, not 24? Just to make sure of the date. That's it? Again ha, may EO na, a law will institutionalize it.

RESOURCE PERSON: Based on our position, Sir, again it's based on an event that happened quite recently but we think there's a law that this kind is necessary at this point, Mr. Chair. Usually, our policy is, especially for declaration of – although it's very recent and it's all over the news – it's very hard to determine in our part 'yung consideration kung saang grupo ng tao o tao ay hero, we cannot determine within that short period of time. It would usually take us about minimum of at least 10 years or 50 years for us to support that Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: But if there is already an EO? So, you don't advice that we enact a law until you find out indeed? And in the meantime, an EO is sufficient. Is that what you're saying?

RP Yes, Mr. Chair.

TU: Mr. Chair, if I may add, there's no law as we speak right now declaring any person as a hero. So, if ever though it is articulated in a commemorating the heroism, there's no law even Jose Rizal or Bonifacio, a specific person, Mr. Chair. There's nothing like that. There was an attempt during the time of President Ramos.

CHIZ: Replace Rizal with Bonifacio.

TU: Hindi po, Mr. Chair. Gumawa po ng isang komisyon ang Pangulong Ramos po noong araw para tukuyin kung sino po ang mga figures na pwedeng i-consider na bayani pero hindi po nag-progress 'yon, Mr. Chair. And I think the resource person could articulate that.

RP: Yes, there were about…

CHIZ: May listahan ba kayong kasama kapag sinabi nating National Heroes Day.

RP Wala, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: What's the Tagalog version, what's the Tagalog word for heroism?

RP: 'Kabayanihan'.

CHIZ: Iba ang 'kagitingan'?

RP: That's bravery.

CHIZ: Kasi kung may araw ka ng kagitingan ka ng April 9, which is basically the Death March – this is akin to that. It may not have been a Death March but an operation that led to their deaths. So, it's akin to Araw ng Kagitingan though you're not declaring it specifically as the Death March, 'di ba?

RP: I would agree, Mr. Chair, because 'yung Araw ng Kagitingan, hindi naman limited lang sa World War II. All the events, like for example, yung mga Korean World Veterans lahat 'yan, Vietnam War na pinadala natin, lahat sila when they are lumped together in that Araw ng Kagitingan, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Kaya lang pinagsasama-sama niyo 'yung Araw ng Kagitingan, 'yung celebration nasa Bataan.

RP: Sa Bataan, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Kaya sinasabi nila sa Death March lang.

RP: Kasi originally 'yon, Mr. Chair, ang kino-commemorate was the fall of Bataan. Pinalitan 'yung pangalan.

CHIZ: Senator Nancy?

NB: I would yield to the wisdom of the Chair.

CHIZ: Can we inquire, can you submit to us a position on the gestation period before someone or a group of people can be declared a hero. And can you all answer the query, may Araw ng Kagitingan ka naman. It's a National Day of Heroism as well. Kasi the title can be the National Day of Heroism, 'di ba? Tapos open parenthesis mo lang naman 'yung SAF 44. Parang yung sa Death March, Araw ng Kagitingan pero Death March. Is that a possibility? Because I cannot change the date. But consider also Senator Nancy changing the date, kasi tama na 'yung pinagdidiwang natin nung namatay 'yung mga bayani natin, the day when they died, the day when Rizal was shot, the day when Jesus was killed. 'Di ba Fall of Bataan is April 9. Puro pagkatalo yung pinagdiriwang natin when we should celebrate victories and not defeats diba? I mean, start changing the culture of the institution. So, either the option will be to lump it sa Araw ng Kagitingan to form part of it, but to change altogether April 9, fall of Bataan pa rin 'yun. Baguhin naman natin, kahit 'yung National Anthem natin, 'di ba? Sino bang nagsabi non, si Sandra Cam? Ang mamatay nang dahil sa'yo, hindi ang pumatay? Patay na naman? Puro na lang tayo patay.

NB: Mr. Chair, pwede din sa National Heroes Day or better April 9?

CHIZ: Pwede rin, consider it. Let's go back to it. Senate Bill No. 1248 is deferred, awaiting the inputs of NHCP as well as the Office of Senator Nancy Binay. The other matters (inaudible), maikli lang naman 'yan.

Last item, can Senator Angara, kindly sponsor this because I don't know understand this, too. A joint resolution declaring September of every year as the National Month for Truth Telling.

SA: Sir, I have a question does that really leave us of our obligation to tell the truth on the other remaining months?

CHIZ: I don't know, actually. It has the effect portion in the effect of law. It basically just wants the people to talk about Martial Law and what Marcos did when they declared Martial Law. I'll read, "resolve that the citizens thus resolve to the Philippines and the Senate House of Representatives jointly September the month in 1972. Jointly declare September the month in 1972, Martial Law was declared as a month for National Month for Truth Telling. Reflection of the reconciliation." Paano magiging reconciliation iyon? And jointly other schools and other educational institutions to conduct mark down educational activities to commemorate the declaration of the Martial Law. Asec Umali, do you agree? Yes or no lang ito ha?

TU: I cannot answer, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Is there any commemoration or program on Martial Law. Have you passed the law, the curriculum Martial Law?

TU: Yes, it is included in the curriculum, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Anong grade?

TU: Grades 5 and 6 Mr. Chair. Mas malalim po ang pagtalakay sa Grade 6 dahil iyong grade 6 po ay bahagi iyon ng Araling Panlipunan kapag pinag-usapan ang kasaysayan ng Pilipinas.

SA: Do you remember si Senator Bam (Aquino) also, I think he has a bill particularly highlighting itong Martial Law and all that. I think we tackled that last year. I don't know what happen to that. I remember that there is a specific bill that corresponds the topic of Martial Law curriculum.

TU: I remember that. Ang pagkakatanda ko din doon Mr. Chair, ang sabi ho ng ating kalihim ay rerebyuhin po iyong present curriculum natin. Opo.

CHIZ: How about CHED? Nasa curriculum na rin ba nila iyon o ng higher learning institutions; Martial Law?

RP: We have courses on history on tertiary education, Mr. Chair. For now we'll check with the new general education curriculum which will be implemented by 2018. We'll check on that, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Win, there's a bill about that? Alam ko mayroon noon.

SENATOR WIN GATCHALIAN (WG): Yeah, I remember that we have one or two years pa nga yata iyong ASec. And then, I remember the salient features real to expand the topic of the Martial Law and the likes in the curriculum. I think it's a separate curriculum. There is a provision for separate books, separate teaching materials, if I am not mistaken and if I remember right.

TU: Parang ganoon po ang pag-uusap. Iyan po iyang pagtalakay, iyon po iyong mga nabiktima, Mr. Chair. Dapat ho ay may mga pag-uusap na ganoon at hindi lamang po iyong kung ano ang nasa libro and other materials. Opo. May mga ganoon pong mga pag-uusap. So, ang sabi po n gating kalihim po doon ay pag-aaralan po iyon ng pagrerebisa ng curriculum.

CHIZ: Can we consolidate this with that. Alangan namang may separate truth telling pa tayong curriculum? Or isama na doon kung gusto nilang ideclare at isama ang month na iyon as part of the adjustment of the curriculum. My father worked under Marcos. He was a Minister of Marcos. I'm not necessarily in favor really against but it's just too political for me. Kaya ayaw din sumagot ni ASec.

Whoever wins will always be the hero; whoever loses will always be the villain. That's why the history is written thus far as the other country as well. I'd rather that a senator last name Aquino do this than me. Senate Joint Resolution Number 4, we consolidate it. Where a Senate bill file by Senator Aquino in the curriculum pertaining to the expanded teaching the Martial Law years during that period of time in our history from 1972 to 19 – when was Martial Law lifted? 1981. Tama?

TU: January 17, 1981.

CHIZ: I think that was also the day of the elections.

TU: Interim of Batasang Pambansa.

CHIZ: Yeah. Regular Batasan na iyon. Interim was before. 1984 was the regular Batasan. 1981 was the interim.

SA: 1978 din yata. May eleksyon din ng 1978.

CHIZ: Hindi ko alam kung may eleksyon. Mr. Jose, may eleksyon ba noong 1978?

RP: Meron Sir, 1978 interim Batasan. Batasang pambansa, I'n no so sure but there was an election for the members of the Batasan.

CHIZ: For the information of the chair can the DepEd and the NHCP, kindly submit a list of all the declared working special holidays? Both local and national. I'm sure you should have a list somewhere.

RP: Mr. Chair, we don't have it.

CHIZ: No, sometimes, 'di ba you passed a law declaring, remember Sonny, "Congressman declaring a non-working holiday say in Sorsogon City".

SA: Yes.

CHIZ: In Surigao City, in particular place. Does anyone even have that comprehensive entry?

TU: We'll check, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: I don't think we have that.

RP: There's a compilation.

CHIZ: Can a local ordinance declare a non-working holiday in the locality?

SA: We'll ask permission from the President. We will show that.

CHIZ: And then?

SA: Tapos itu-turn over na sa president.

CHIZ: No, but the permission will come in the form of what, an EO?

RP: An EO.

CHIZ: So, may EO pa rin.

SA: Pero, may basis sila.

CHIZ: Can you help us with that?

TU: Yes. Mr. Chair. We'll try.

CHIZ: I presume in DepEd's case, you're local unit informed you that it's a holiday on a certain date in their town. May ganoon ba kayo?

TU: They should research here dahil ang bawat division po naman ay nagrereport sa region and region to central office.

CHIZ: Can you give us and collate as well?

TU: Yes, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Just for us to know kung gaano karami na ba dahil baka everyday na lang. Baka may doble pa nga . So that when we're taking of these measures we also maybe got it accordingly maybe we can pass it on to the next chairman of the committee of education. For the information of our committee members, we will take out all creations, all mergers, all conversions of schools, omnibusly as long as they comply with the requirements set-up by DepEd. 'Di ba Asec may requirements kayo? Nationalization, sonsolidation. Ano pa ba ang ibang variations? Separations.

TU: Yes, Mr. Chair, declaring for us a fully integrated school.

CHIZ: Yes, a checklist, right?

TU: Other DepEd order No.40 Series of 2014, Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Mayroon tayong copy noon? As long as we have that checklist with or without your presence unless you have strong objections you don't even need to attend the hearings. As long as they are compliant we will recommend this passes before plenary, omnibus. So, may I instruct the ComSec to kindly schedule on a monthly basis any particular sets of schools complied so that we move forward with respect to its passage. Any oher points, Senator Angara? Senator Win? No more? Sen. Nancy? Wala na? Sinama ko sa Magna Carta kasi its part of… but will schedule a separate hearing on Magna Carta. We schedule after 2-3 hearings and approve it afterwards.

RP: The special education and inclusive education will be tackled in a separate…

CHIZ: Ako tumatanggap ako ng hamon sa pagkuha ng bill para mabawas-bawasan. We schedule on a separate date. Pinagsama ko lang 'yung dalawa because it's a long discussion and we will invite all the associations and groups with respect to the various disabilities: CPAS, Autism and what we have to be able to get their inputs with respect to this. Any other points? Yes Ma'am? Join us in the table mam. Habang maaga, wag na tayo abutin ng tanghalian.

RP: Sorry for coming late. I'm from PRC. I'm Dr. Paz Lucido, I'm Vice Chair of the Board for professional teachers from the Professional Regulation Commission. You just like to give this input as background information especially as with regard to the bill on Continuing Education for Teachers Act, for your information and I think you know that recently there was a law that was passed 10912 that is mandating and strengthening the CPD program for all regulatory professionals.

I mean all professions all regulatory professions including teachers are mandated to engage in continuing professional development which is very much related to this SBN 206 Continuing Education for Teachers Act. So just like to review such suggestion to review these two not necessarily they are not really the same but very much related maybe a possibility of harmonizing certain parts of this bill to this law.

CHIZ: What's the law again, Ma'am?

PAZ LUCIDO (PL):The law is Republic Act 10912 Mandating and Strengthening the Continuing Professional Development Program for all regulatory professions or regulated professions.
CHIZ: We will look into it Ma'am. 10912?

PL: Yes, 10912.

CHIZ: We will look into it and how it relates to this particular bill and if at all they are same except for the funding, then we will amend 10912 accordingly in so far as teachers are concerned to cover the subject matter of Senate Bill No. 2026.

PL: Yes, especially on funding because the public school teachers are really very much concern not that they don't want to attend, to comply the continuing professional development, but of course the expenses of course that has to go with it. But we could see also that there is also another aspect as with regard to who will be the one to manage the management of the CPD programs which are already concerned or contained in RA 10912.

CHIZ: Senator Win, please?

WG: Do you have any studies or comparative studies as to what other country doing with their continuing education particularly for teachers?

PL: For teachers?

WG: We know for a fact I think in Japan, there mandated to be trained amount of our hour be paid by the government. Do you think every two years there's also mandated to take a proficiency exam to know exactly where they are? The exam is also geared towards knowing the status and the level of proficiency of the teachers.

PL: Actually, in the other countries, the teachers attending CPD programs are even paid.

WG: Yes, in some countries. Do you have any country by country analysis of that?

PL: Not yet but we know that they are doing this.

WG: Maybe you can help us also with that research?

PL: Maybe we can.

WG: For teachers so we can be guided as what other countries are doing.

CHIZ: Asec, baka masilip niyo rin yung pondong pinag-usapan natin kanina. Remember the funding of DBM is January to December, may 13th month pay pa. I'm sure you have a lot of savings. Perhaps it can be realigned for this purpose in particular.

PL: Especially for…

CHIZ: Were you here earlier?

PL: Pardon me Sir.

CHIZ: Were you here earlier? 'Yung diniscuss yung pondo ng teacher? Wala po?

PL: Wala pa po. But I think this is very important.

CHIZ: What I'm saying is the government is supposed to hire 74,000 last year. Of that figure, they were able to hire 60,000. But the budget that DBM appropriated is for January to December. Hindi naman nila kayang mag-hire ng 74,000 teachers ng January 1. They hired some of them March, some June, some July, some October, sometimes they can't even filled it up. So there's fiscal space we usually call it savings that we can use for this purpose. At least 'di na maghahanap ng pera. By way of additional compensation, allowance or whatever you called it, these additional trainings. But they should still remain. May batas na sino nag-iimplement nung continue education kamo 'yun?

PL: Actually, each board in PRC, there are 43 professional board but the teacher was implanting the council they called it the CPD Council.

CHIZ: You on your part, the teachers who's implementing it?

PL: Yes, our CPD council for professional teachers.

CHIZ: Have you ever done one?

PL: Yes, we have several. We have done several because there is really a required number of a CPD unit before they can renew their ID.

CHIZ: How many Ma'am? Nationwide?

PL: For teachers, CPD really from PRC because were just starting actually. Kasisimula lang po. Even the IRR will still be out by this March, the IRR for this law but we've already started and maybe around for us for the Board for the teachers we have conducted more or less mga around 30-40.

CHIZ: At what level, Ma'am? This are all for basic education teachers.

PL: These are all basic education.

CHIZ: No, where is it conducted? Per municipality? Per province? Per region?

PL: Well, there's those conducted for municipality but for national.

CHIZ: Ang problema sa national, gagastos talaga kayo ng malaki kung papabyahehin niyo 'yung teacher mula Jolo papunta rito kung saan. So that the program should be per municipality para 'yung byahe ng teacher within the municipality man lang. It's always cheaper to bring five lecturers to a place.

PL: But they conducted municipalities, regions?

CHIZ: It is designed that way? Ma'am if you decided it by region, I'll give an example I know kabisado ko region ko lang: Camarines Norte, Camarines Sur, Albay, Sorsogon, and two island provinces: Masbate and Catanduanes . You most likely hold it in Naga, Southern Legaspi and that would be far. That from Camarines Norte to Legaspi is about four hours? Sorsogon to Naga is about two hours from the island, I don't even know. I don't want to think about it. So in your IRR can it not be done by municipality?

PL: Yes Sir, actually there are providers for CPD programs.

CHIZ: Outsource?

PL: Outsource providers they are individuals associations, agencies that is provided by the law. That the CPD programs could be done by providers, individuals, schools, and that (inaudible). Yes, the programs are reviewed by the CCT council that they should be programs that really upgrade the teachers.

CHIZ: My question Ma'am is, in your IRR, in your draft IRR is it mandated to be done by municipality?

PL: Municipalities?

CHIZ: Not by province, not by region, not nationally?

PL: Actually, the reasons specific by municipality but it could be done by NGO and the LGUs in fact there is one province who, I think supported one CPD program somewhere in the Visayas.

CHIZ: Ma'am, again, I will go back. You're asking for money. You don't have money and kawawa naman iyong teacher but as a policy can you not already imposed the cheapest way by which this can be achieved? Which is by, the biggest expense is board and lodging and transportation – that is the biggest expense. So pampulitiko lang naman iyong national convention para makasalita kami roon. Huwag na iyon. Hindi ba? Huwag na iyon. Iyong regional, Ma'am, pampulitika din iyon. Ma'am before you before looking at the teacher, then if you agree with me, shouldn't it be done by municipality kung saan siya? And mandated that whichever provided that maybe he should do it by municipality too. Because it may sound nice, when he can do it with before 3,000 teachers in the province, in the provincial level. Iyong kawawang teacher naman iyong biyahe naman ng kawawang teacher. Hindi ba Ma'am, I mean.

PL: Yes.

CHIZ: But how many days would this be o one day lang?

PL: Depends on the program there are times when it could run as far as two to three days, especially during the summer.

CHIZ: Kasi Ma'am, kawawa naman, hindi ba?

SA: May assessment ba iyan, Ma'am?

PL: Yes there is an assessment, actually. That's now the innovation.

CHIZ: You find the results?

PL: Yes because they have to submit to PRC for the credits that they have earned. For every three years we have to renew…

CHIZ: The license.

PL: Their ID, the license is there but the ID is the one that is renewed every year.

SA: Is that really implemented seriously?

PL: Yes PRC has implementing that in the past, implemented that in the past. That somewhere I wasn't there yet, it was stopped. But each law, each professional board has its own regulatory law.

SA: For teachers?

PL: For a teacher that is not in our regulatory law. But still we are doing a lot of seminars, CPDs, but it's not in the regulatory law because for the 43 professional boards, each has its own regulatory law and professions where CPD is really a part of the regulatory law. Unfortunately, in our bill, in our law for teachers in Republic Act 786 it's not really specified. And that is why it's an omnibus ano that was passed requiring all the 43 boards to really engage in CPD. This is also in line with our competitiveness program with other ASEAN countries. That is why PRC has to really engage in this CPD once there. Sir, as with regard to you're the supply of teachers. Just for your information, we have I think at present, ang over supply, we might have an oversupply of teachers the way they are taking the LET and that is the licensure exam, evaluation for teachers. And we have several teachers who have tried really applying for public schools slot. But we are finding it difficult to really get a slot. It is taking time, just want to really kept on hearing 50,000, 60,000 that other graduates; our LET passers, there are so many of them who are still unemployed. And they really have to engage in other jobs other than teaching.

CHIZ: We are getting the data from them.

PL: Yes, oo.

CHIZ: Referring to Asec. Umali, then approximately 70,000 last year. We're just getting the data from them. You only hear what the horror stories anyway, those who got their job, got the job already won't go to you anymore so. Kapag may trabaho na siya ay hindi nandoon na siya, hindi na siya magrereklamo. So we also counting on that number but one more time Ma'am, how much are you paying your service providers?

PL: Service providers are not paid. The service providers are the ones who apply; they are the ones who determine their fees.

CHIZ: Who is that?

PL: The service providers themselves. They apply.

CHIZ: Service providers are the lecturers.

PL: No the service providers they are actually individuals, corporations and the lecturers are paid by service providers – depending on the program.

CHIZ: Exactly. Who pays them? The teacher?

PL: The lecturers? The service providers.

CHIZ: Who pays the service providers?

PL: They are not paid by, they put up their own.

CHIZ: They put up their own I agree, so they are given for free?

PL: No.

CHIZ: Yeah. Who pays them? Where do they get the money to pay the lecturers? The teachers?

PL: Well, they have registration fees, they charge.

CHIZ: Yeah Ma'am. So who pays the registration fees? The teachers?

PL: The teachers.

CHIZ: There are guidelines for that on how much they can charge only…

PL: Yes. Yes, they have guidelines each professional board has its own protocol guidelines on how to conduct.

CHIZ: I am asking your board.

PL: Our board, we don't. We are not done yet ano with our, to figure our guidelines.

CHIZ: That 40 already, or 30. So what was the payment scheme there?

PL: Usually, they charge the honorarium, the facility venue, and the materials.

CHIZ: No cap? Ma'am, kung papabayarin ninyo, sasabihin ko na rin Ma'am papabayaran ninyo sa gobyerno iyan. Hindi pwedeng bahala na si Batman kung ano ang icha-charge gagawin nila sa magandang hotel para makacharge ng mas malaki. It cannot be that way if government will pay for it.

PL: That is discouraged. In other words, the CPD council takes a look at the program as it said and the expenses, the budget. And I mean any exorbitant are discouraged

NB: Siguro out of the 30 ho what was the minimum and maximum amount paid by the teachers.

PL: Usually, they pay around, some are just, I know as Php1,000, Php800 it varies depending on the length of the seminar.

CHIZ: Again, if it's going to be paid and shouldered by the government it cannot be that way. I will not accept it that way. There has to be a rational and reasonable way of paying the fees. And it cannot vary in Metro Manila, be higher here and be lower in some places. I mean there has to be a rational way if you want the government to fund it.

PL: Yeah. Actually, DepEd has to apply as the provider for that matter. It's DepEd who applies as a provider.

TU: We tend to do that, Mr. Chair. Kasi ang pagkakaunawa ko po ditto Mr. Chair, if you may Ma'am, hindi pa ito lubusang ipinapatupad. Kasi kakapasa pa lang nito bilang batas noong July 2016 at wala pa nga kayong IRR, hindi po ba?

PL: The IRR, I know, will come out this Month.

TU : So you cannot implement a law, Mr. Chair. Ang pagkakaunawa ko po, nasa pag-uusap pa po. Nandoon po kami sa punto, Mr. Chair, na we will request them to credit the training program ng teachers. Para wala na pong gastos ang mga bata. Kasi more or less, we know Mr. Chair.

CHIZ: Is that represented in the Board?

TU : Represented po ba kami?

PL: No.

TU: Hindi po kami represented.

NB: Mr. Chair, kasama ho ba kayo dun sa pag-draft ng IRR?

TU: Hindi po. I'm almost certain hindi po kami kasama.

CHIZ: Who composes the Board, ma'am? Out of curiosity.

PL: Board for professional teachers?

CHIZ: Yes.

PL: The chairman is Dr. Zita Navarro.

CHIZ: In what capacity? In-appoint lang?

PL: Our appointment in the Board, we are appointed by the president. And of course, we have qualifications. We passed through a process.

CHIZ: But is there a sectoral representation in each Board?

PL: Yeah. Our representation is by subject matter. Because our main task really is to prepare test items, licensure examinations. So we have 14 subjects in the Board. There are supposed to be five of us in the Board; each one representing a particular subject area, which are all our specialization. Now the CPD Council is actually chaired by the Chairman of the Board – one representing the academe, the other one representing the Accredited Professional Organization.

CHIZ: What's CPD again?

PL: Continuing Professional Development.

CHIZ: Ma'am question, I'll take advantage of asking questions sorry, shouldn't the Association of Public Schools, meaning PASUC, COCOPEA, ano pa yung isa, ALCU, be represented in all the boards, not only yours, and in your case, also represented either from the three or just one for DepEd? Principally because there is already a disjoint between what you're asking in the board exams and what is being demanded by DepEd in their curriculum?

The same is true with other profession. So in other words Ma'am, 'yung estudyante nag-aaral para pumunta sa Board, pero yung aktuwal na kailangan niyang malaman para makapagtrabaho at magawa yung trabaho niya, walang kinalaman na sa Board.

PL: That is not true, Sir. Because there is a Teacher Education Council, this is Republic Act 7784, actually that was sponsored by Senator Angara I know, and Senator Escudero. Of course, your father, on teacher education has been supportive. He has been there ever since. And theTeacher Education Council actually joins the DepEd, the CHED, the PRC and the Private and Public TEIs, Teacher Education Institutions.

PL: But again, I'm referring to the other boards.

CHIZ: OK, the other professional boards. Kung ganyan kaganda iyong sa teachers, may ganyan din bang mechanism 'yung ibang profession?

PL: Yes, because each board has its own accredited professional organization representing the academe of the professional board.

CHIZ: Professional organization, it's not necessarily the academe ah.

PL: Yeah. The academe represents the deans, the faculty of the different professional boards.

CHIZ: Do you have a seat there?

PL: We have a seat? Yes, in the Accredited Professional Organization (APO). The APO, actually it's the APO who nominates the members of the board and directly appointed by the president.

CHIZ: Ma'am, ano ang kinalaman ng professional organization sa school? Assocaition of Architect. Association of Civil Engineers. IBP. Wala hong kinalaman 'yung professional organization na 'yun sa school ha, sa school curriculum, sa ganoon? I don't see the connection.

PL: The deans are represented in the APO in the CPD Council being the academe, because there are three members of the CPD Council: the Chairman, the academe and the Accredited Professional Organization.

CHIZ: May academe na hiwalay?

PL: Yes. The academe (inaudible) the deans, the faculty, the APO actually are the practitioners in the profession. Like the other 43 professional boards. That is the composition

CHIZ: May APO ba ang teachers doon?

PL: At present, that is the issue. We really do not have an APO for the past so many years but we have teachers' organizations that are really very active and in our case the CPD, the provision for unit, we have been doing a lot of that.

CHIZ: Who is seating sa APO?

PL: It's vacant. What we are doing now is to invite teacher's organization. We have one very credible teachers' organization, that's PAFTE. It is the Philippine Association for Teacher Education; your father has always been the keynote speaker.

CHIZ: How many members?

PL: We have more than, actually, all the teachers, educators and our cooperating teachers.

CHIZ: All the teachers or members?

PL: They should be members. It's a voluntary organization but they are members so many of them.

CHIZ: Eligible to the members.

PL: Yes.

CHIZ: They are not actual members.

PL: Eligible in such a way that they must possess a license in the practice of the profession.

CHIZ: But the license is issued by that association?

RP: No. No. It's the PRC.

TU: It's not like IBP your honor.

ESCUDERO: Exactly. It's not like IBP that we are mandated to join IBP.

LUCIDO: Yeah. At present we are now trying to amend our law. You know our law, Republic Act 7836 was passed 1994. Yeah, 1994.

CHIZ: Wala akong bill na ganyan.

PL: Kaya nga po. We are trying to amend; we have to amend now because of so many changes happened already like the K-12 and all of these.

CHIZ: Have you submitted a proposed bill?

PL: Yes. We have submitted already during the time of…the one who sponsored our bill was Jonathan Dela Cruz of ABAKADA. And I think it was in the first reading, something like that.

CHIZ: Ibig saaihin ng first reading binasa lang.

PL: Binasa lang po 'yun, totoo po.

CHIZ Maganda lang pakingga; passed on first reading.

PL: But it's good that we were not able to start it because of the so many changes now. This is the right time actually.

CHIZ: We have a proposed measure.

PL: Yes we have.

CHIZ: Do you have it with you now?

PL: Yes, I have it in my cell phone. I can give you a copy. (laughs)

CHIZ: (laughs)

PL: I can give you a copy because I was the one who chaired it. Actually, this was a product of BESRA, project by Usec. Umali. The product of BESRA, Basic Education Sector Reform Agenda, the fourth part of BESRA, actually, is amendment of Republic Act 7836 and I was the point person.

CHIZ: Give it to me, Ma'am. Give it to my office.

PL: Yes.

CHIZ: Not to the ComSec, give it to my office, the draft bill so I can look at it.

PL: Thank you. It's very timely.

CHIZ: Sige Ma'am. Kumain na kayo. Thank you very much. Senator Gatchalian, do you have other points? Senator Nancy? There are no other points. Hearing is hereby suspended and we would like to thank our invited guests for their time, their presence and their inputs in this morning's hearing. Hearing is suspended. Thank you po and good morning.


 

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